Ok, am dat adineauri peste un thread al dracului de interesant pe 4chan. Nu va dau link, cel mai probabil s-a auto-sage'd cand cititi voi asta, asa ca il rezum aici

Practic, totul a inceput de la OP-ul asta:

">>In mid July, Bandai Visual USA presidentTatsunori Konno estimated that there are presently less than 200,000core American anime fans, and that the value of America's anime marketwas around $350 million. Less than a quarter million serious Americananime consumers is a relatively small number in the context of theAmerican entertainment industry. The estimation of the market value ofanime in America at $350 million is also down considerably from2003-2004 estimates that valued the American anime market at $500 to$550 million."

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Reply-urile au fost pe masura:

>>"Does this mean I don't have to hear pimply faced teenage girlsscreaming "kawaii" and speaking in broken Japanese vernacular anymore?"

>>"in other news, the amount of anime pirates in america is sky rocketing"

>>"Theyrelease overpriced dvds months or years after the japanese release withsubs grossly inferior to fansubs and wonder why we're all downloadingit instead? WHO THE FUCK WOULD'VE GUESSED?!"

>>"An average naruto fansub gets 700,000 downloads

An average naruto DVD sells 70,000 copies."

>>"Yeah, I've noticed it declining. Years ago, manga books and anime DVDswere everyhwere, they even had their own special sections in Walmart.But now they're gone and there's hardly anything anime-related left inshops except select bookstores and Bestbuy."

>>"That should give you some insight into why Bandai Visual USA are tryingthat Japanese level pricing bullshit - they don't give a shit abouttrying to target the mainstream, if they sell 10000-15000 copies withtheir assrape prices they've already made a whole lot of bank, by theirstandards."

>>"This is also bandai visual we're talking about... you know, the companythat puts out 2 episodes of show for $50 and thinks it's a completelyfair price."

>>"the market would be bigger if it was not over priced in all respects."

>>"lol shitty marketing research. God I hate marketing departments.They're the antithesis of everything that's fun and neat about showingoff what you can provide."

>>"Stop complaining about the pricing in America.

It's absolutely ridiculous in Canada."

>>"Can someone explain to me why we should be alarmed if the English anime industry goes completely down the drain?

We'djust be grabbing our fansubs as usual, except there wouldn't be U.S.DVD releases with dubs nobody worth mentioning listens to and subs thatare usually inferior to the fansubs.

Why should anybody on 4chan care?"

>>"Well, manga's around double the original Japanese price in the US if you don'tpick it up second hand or when there is a sale. If you pick it up used,you normally get it for even cheaper than the original price was.Granted, their used books might even go for less."

>>"Print On Demand, ever hear of it? Yeah sure production costs are slightly higher, but not 2-3 times."

>>"Well consider this: The price to Translate and Dub any given anime isessentally fixed. When you buy dubbed anime you are really paying for atranslation service. So smaller audience = higher Price. As theaudience continues to shrink due to rising prices (people either gowithout anime or get it from another sauce like tiubes) the companiesare essentally put iin a position where they cant provide cheap qualityanime because it prsents a buisness risk. Due to liscencing therereally isnt competition in the true sense of the word (if one companyreleases a naruto DVD another cant release the same thing but 2 buckcheaper, because they dont have the liscence) so basically you are leftwith a stagnant shrinking market."

>>"Translators arent free.

Print on demand would be a seriousoption if there was some sort of infastructure to support it.

Imaginethis: you walk into a comic shop and browse through a digitized list ofalready translated manga, oick one out to buy and it prints and bindsroghht in front of you. That would be neat but setting it up would be alogistical and copyright nightmare."

>>""Translators arent free."

On the internet, a shit-ton of them knowingly DO translate for free."

>>"A very large amount of the money that Japanese producers get for theirshit comes from Amerikkka. That's why we're seeing record numbers ofshows produced every season, and why production quality has generallygone way up. The reason why DVD prices are so steep in the US (butstill far cheaper than the prices in Japan) is that the Japanesecompanies also charge insane amounts of money for licensing, makingevery license a big risk. I forget what the exact numbers are, but Ithink that even obscure shit that will never sell well commandssomewhere around $20K/episode.

Anyway, if the US anime industrycollapses, that also pretty much kills the industry as a whole, and allthat will be left will be QUALITY SJ shit and Gundam Seed."

>>"The western market as a WHOLE is like less than a third (In 2005anyway) of the total anime comic/animation market (Most of which isJapan). There would probably be less shows per season, but the entireindustry dying? Hardly. The western market isn't a necessity, it's morelike an extra side dish."

>>"Until I see figures showing that Japanese anime companies get even 10%of their revenue from English licensing, I call major bullshit on this.There's no way it matters that much to them."

>>"You have no idea how wrong you are.

The Western market carries the Japanese one, and it's bigger.

200,000 core fans? The biggest selling anime title in Japan couldn't break half of that."

>>"part of this is a fundamental difference in the nature of japanseconomy versus america. American buying habits are often dictated buylarger trends such as oil and real estate prices or insurance rates. Injapan, few people own cars, and even fewer own homes/land. Japaneseconsumers are largely insulated from those market fluctuationsaffecting their spending habits."

>>"Is it the industry problem, or just bandai having problems?"


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There you have it. Ideea e ca a aruncat unul o piatra si acum se chinuie tot board-ul /a/ de pe 4chan sa o gaseasca.

In opinia mea proprie si personala, dezbaterea asta are rost doar atata timp cat ies si ceva cifre informative din asta. Pana una-alta insa inclin inspre apropoul batut in ultima opinie postata sus.