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QUOTE("Trickster") Nu, e folosit cu sensul de util, folositor, etc. E un substitut suficient zic eu pentru valorile morale. Fac si eu ce face toata lumea, folosesc concepte abstracte ca sa descriu realitatea... doar de-asta le-am inventat. Dar nu poti face apel la cuvinte cu substitut pragmatic, ca sa definesti, spui tu realitatea. Pentru ca, acel pragmatism e valabil raportat doar la tine, la ideile si conceptiile tale, insa daca vrei sa descrii realitatea [aia unanim acceptata de noi, in a carei existenta eu nu cred], atunci nu poti aduce in discutie elemente pur subiective, chiar daca ti se par a fi pragmatice, ele sunt asa in masura in care tu le dai aceasta valoare. QUOTE("Trickster") Apropo de culori si non-televizoare, gasesti usor culori opuse, nu? Dar daca e sa iesi din spectrul vizibil, care-i culoarea opusa la infrarosu sau ultra-violet? Mare capcana sa te limitezi cu propriile definitii si sa nu vezi in afara lor. Si eu consider non-alb un concept perfect valabil Ca o adaugare strict personala, eu am un miiiic deficit in distingerea nuantelor diferitelor culori, adica...nu prea stiu ce e ala grena, lila si alte derivate, deci nu ma limitez la sistemul conventional, in primul rand pentru ca nu pot, in al 2-lea rand, chiar daca as putea, nu as vrea. QUOTE("Trickster") Intradevar, utopia dupa oricine e o prostie mare. Dar nu si renuntarea la bine/rau, pentru ca nu implica imbratisarea vreunei utopii. Doar ce, nu le mai folosesti si basta, doar asta tot zic, nu-i sfarsitul lumii. Atunci ce intelegi tu prin utopie? Cum ai defini o societate utopica, daca nu prin eliminarea binelui si raului si al altor valori care sunt necesare? Cred ca L ar fi mai abil decat Light, in arena aia... Later Edit QUOTE("Unknown") probabil ca in final se reduce la impunerea vointei proprii asupra altuia... asta e pacatul suprem laugh.gif Eu vreau ca tu sa mori, iar tu vrei sa traiesti... =>avem o problema... daca si tu vrei sa mori, atunci presupun ca totul e in ordine... Nu vad de ce ar trebui sa fac puscarie rolleyes.gif Problema de moralitate apare atunci cand te gandesti prin ce mijloace sa-l faci pe el sa isi doreasca sa moara. [desi daca rezultatul e acelasi, eu personal, nu vad o problema in asta]. Poti sa te joci cu mintea lui, [jocuri psihologice], sau poti sa-l torturezi fizic, rezultatul in final ar fi acelasi, el sa-si doreasca sa moara, si apoi tu il omori linistit, dupa care iti aprinzi un trabuc, si poti face linistit pe lupul moralist.
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