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QUOTE("Trickster") daca vrei alt sistem de valori, poti folosi practicalitatea de exemplu. E practic ceva, nu e practic ceva, etc. Si practic aici e folosit cu sensul de...concret, real? Mi se pare ca incerci sa duci in plan natural niste conceptii, care nu pot capata forma prin ele insele, decat cea pe care le-o dam noi. QUOTE("Trickster") Da pai, daca doua lucruri se definesc reciproc atunci is un sistem inchis, poti sa-l potrivesti cum vrei. E ca si cum ai incerca sa definesti ne-alb... oti sa-mi zici ca e vorba de negru? La fel si cu bine/rau Mi se pare putin aberant exemplul tau, foarte simplu puteai sa zici "ne-televizor e cumva computer?". Raspunsul e nu, ca si in cazul ne-albului, care e un concept inexistent, ptr ca deja s-a stabilit un sistem conventional referitor la culori, si nu numim nicio culoare "ne-alb", o numim "rosie", "neagra" etc. Cele doua valori binele si raul au coexistat si vor continua sa coexiste, fie ca vrem fie ca nu. Chiar daca unii dintre noi sunt mai idealisti si isi doresc o societate utopica plina de armonie si pace.... :huh: [mie de pe la 14 ani mi-a cam pierit gandul ca ar fi posibil asa ceva, altundeva decat in fictiune si in imaginatia mea, si au demonstrat-o destui oameni de stiinta si filosofi pana acum]. QUOTE("Trickster") Sincer si eu is curios ce-i asa de interesant la rau... probabil tensiunea nascuta din posibilitatea raului face viata mai interesanta, cine stie. Eu imi gasesc destule ocupatii si fara sa ma gandesc cum ar fi sa dau la cineva in cap, sau fara sa ma intreb cum e sa sparg un magazin. Cine spune ca sa spargi un magazin, sa dai in cap cuiva e rau? Ah da, stiu...codul etic, doctrina crestina, intr-adevar instante cu greutate, pe care trebuie sa le acceptam ca fiind competente si sa ne supunem ideilor si conceptiilor lor. Da, se stie, eu il aleg pe L.[am trecut demult de pragul ontopicului :P]
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Apr 23 2007, 04:20 PM
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Unknown, chiar crezi ca stau toata ziua sa ma intreb daca ce fac e bun sau rau? :D De fapt cred ca putini oameni o fac, majoritatea isi gasesc ocupatii mai serioase de atat. Si vezi ca confunzi bunastarea cu binele :P Adevarul e ca valorile morale in societatea de azi nici nu mai au impactul care-l aveau alta data, se gasesc destule alte motive pentru a te conforma... QUOTE(trust_no_more @ Apr 23 2007, 11:29 PM) Si practic aici e folosit cu sensul de...concret, real? Mi se pare ca incerci sa duci in plan natural niste conceptii, care nu pot capata forma prin ele insele, decat cea pe care le-o dam noi. Nu, e folosit cu sensul de util, folositor, etc. E un substitut suficient zic eu pentru valorile morale. Fac si eu ce face toata lumea, folosesc concepte abstracte ca sa descriu realitatea... doar de-asta le-am inventat. Apropo de culori si non-televizoare, gasesti usor culori opuse, nu? Dar daca e sa iesi din spectrul vizibil, care-i culoarea opusa la infrarosu sau ultra-violet? Mare capcana sa te limitezi cu propriile definitii si sa nu vezi in afara lor. Si eu consider non-alb un concept perfect valabil :P. QUOTE(trust_no_more @ Apr 23 2007, 11:29 PM) Chiar daca unii dintre noi sunt mai idealisti si isi doresc o societate utopica plina de armonie si pace.... :huh: Intradevar, utopia dupa oricine e o prostie mare. Dar nu si renuntarea la bine/rau, pentru ca nu implica imbratisarea vreunei utopii. Doar ce, nu le mai folosesti si basta, doar asta tot zic, nu-i sfarsitul lumii. QUOTE(trust_no_more @ Apr 23 2007, 11:29 PM) Cine spune ca sa spargi un magazin, sa dai in cap cuiva e rau? Cum am mai zis, exista si un fond comun pentru valorile morale ca altfel is degeaba. Sa-mi zici tu mie ca o existat vreo societate care a tolerat crima si furtul. Daca Light si L ar fi intr-o arena romana, Light ar fi mai smecher. Dar nu-s :P. (ontopic, ontopic :lol:)
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