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sarkastik
post Feb 5 2008, 08:53 PM
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Desi nu foarte lume cunoaste acest anime el reprezinta dupa parerea mea unul dintre cele mai bune exponate ale genului SF, poate chiar cel mai bun. Nu este dintre cele mai noi animeuri (1988) dar grafica este placuta iar vocile personajelor fac toti banii. Animeul poate fi comparat cu o carte de istorie a razboiului dintre Imperiul Galactic (o societate foarte asemanatoare cu raich-ul nazist) si Alianta Planetelor Libere (societate bazata pe democratie), in special prin prezenta naratorului care are un still foarte concis si sobru exact ca un istoric ce-si noteaza fiecare eveniment in ordine cronologica. Desi are 110 episoade seria este foarte alerta neexistand practic momente moarte sau filere. Unde exceleaza cu adevarat LOGH este la personaje si actorii care le interpreteaza. Mai toate vocile le veti recunoaste. Din cate stiu poate fi inca descarcat de pe http://www.boxtorrents.com/. Este un anime care nu trebuie ratat de niciun fan al genurilor SF, sau povestirilor istorice. In lista mea de departe cel mai bun anime din toate timpurile (vazut de mine).

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post Feb 7 2008, 07:01 AM
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Desi poate fi considerat text redundant mai pun oleak de descriere (copy/paste):

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The story of two mighty space empires is told from the viewpoint of two 'heroes': Rheinhardt Von Museal, Admiral of the Galactic Empire, and Yang Wenli, Admiral from the Alliance of Free Planets. Both men are military and tactical geniuses and are born survivors. The ambitious Rheinhart has the goal of getting enough power to be able to free his sister from her obligation as one of the Emperor's Court ladies. He is fairly ruthless in this which is tempered only by his aide: Siegfried Kircheis. Yang is a pacifistic man who, when necessary, will do his duty even if it means fighting against an enemy fleet (since he is a *soldier*, after all). The drama between these 2 men is played out against a backdrop of great space battles, inept commanders, frightened soldiers, personal relationships, corrupt politicians and the workings of two space empires at war with each other. This is a space opera on a very grand scale. Note that there is a very heavy Prussian influence on the series, especially present in the Imperial uniforms...

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The story is staged in the distant future within our own Milky Way Galaxy, approximately in the 35th century. Unlike other science fiction stories, there are no alien civilizations. A portion of the galaxy is filled with terraformed worlds inhabited by interstellar traveling human beings. For 150 years two mighty space powers have intermittently warred with each other: the Galactic Empire and the Free Planets Alliance.

Within the Galactic Empire, based on 19th century Prussia, an ambitious military genius, Reinhard von Müsel, is rising to power. He is driven by the desire to free his sister Annerose, who was taken by the Kaiser as a concubine. Later, he wants not only to end the corrupt Goldenbaum dynasty but also to defeat the Free Planets Alliance and to unify the whole galaxy under his rule.

In the Free Planets Alliance is another genius, Yang Wen-li. He originally aspired to become a historian, and joined the military only because he needed money for tuition. He was rapidly promoted to an admiral because of his demonstrated excellence in military strategy. He becomes the archrival of Reinhard, though they highly respect one another.

As a historian, Yang often narrates the rich history of his world and comments on it. One of his famous quotes is: "There are few wars between good and evil; most are between one good and another good."

Besides the two main heroes, the story is full of vivid characters and intricate politics. All types of characters, from high nobility, admirals and politicians, to common soldiers and farmers, are interwoven into the story. There is a third neutral power nominally attached to the Galactic Empire called the Phezzan Dominion, a planet-state (city-state on a galactic scale) which trades with both warring powers. There is also a Terraism cult, which claims that humans should go back to Earth, gaining popularity throughout the galaxy. The story frequently switches away from the main heroes to the Unknown Soldier fighting for his life on the battlefield.

Voice actors

Legend of The Galactic Heroes boasts the largest voice cast for any known animated production. Contrary to the cheaper and more convenient practice of having voice actors handle multiple roles in the same series, this is almost nonexistent for this production. It was not unusual for top billing cast members to have few or no lines in a large number of episodes. The only known double role in Legend of the Galactic Heroes is held by Hirotaka Suzuoki, playing the roles of the Spartanian pilot Ivan Konev of the Alliance and the Phezzani Rupert Kesserlink. It has been said that the cast listing is a Who's Who for almost every veteran and current Japanese voice actor at the time. For some voice actors in the series, this was their "breakthrough" role. Most notably Ryo Horikawa, as Reinhard, went on to star as the voice of Vegeta in the long running Dragonball Z.

This series also features a large number of primarily live action actors. As an example, Masane Tsukayama (Ernst von Eisenach) and Morio Kazama (Bruce Ashbey) etc. are famous live actors in Japan.

Yang Wen-li was the last role performed by veteran actor Kei Tomiyama who died in 1995 shortly after the end of the original series completion. His other most well known roles include Susumu Kodai from Space Battleship Yamato and Tochiro Oyama from Captain Harlock and Galaxy Express 999.

Ar mai fi de zis ca pentru o capodopera este mult, chiar foarte mult subevaluat si deloc scos in fata. Pacat pentru ca spre deosebire de multe anime-uri fara substanta acesta chiar a rezistat la trecerea timpului si reprezinta un adevarat clasic.

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post Feb 16 2008, 10:35 PM
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Ma mir ca singurul thread e asa de nou pe aici... cine stie cum s-a invartit informatia pentru ca si eu abia saptamana asta m-am apucat de el (de fapt stiu cum... m-am batut Bogdan la cap).

Anyways... hai sa punem problema asa: acum vreo luna m-a apucat asa o ingrijorare ca imbatranesc, si n-o sa mai am ce anime-uri sa-mi placa la 30-40-50 ani. Well, dupa LOGH nu mai am grija asta. Este facut dupa o serie de romane (din pacate netraduse) si nu pot decat sa imi imaginez cat de bine sunt scrise daca anime-ul a iesit cum a iesit.

Fix acum sunt la ep 30 si pot sa confirm ce a spus sarkastik - nu exista perioade moarte. Cele doua personajele principale sunt superbe. Personal eu pariez pe Yang Wenli, desi cateodata e cumplit de enervant cat de obtuz poate sa fie in politica.

Si inca ceva (pentru Bogdan mostly). In muulte momente actiunea imi aduce puternic aminte de un joc de go. E unul din putinele anime/seriale/filme/carti in care ideea de strategie e ceva real, nu doar de mucava.
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post Feb 19 2008, 08:53 PM
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Iti zic de pe acum sa nu te grabesti la pariuri ;). Interesant este ca la un momendat cu cat ne apropriem de sfarsit povestea se ocupa destul de mult si de personajele secundare care sunt foarte multe. Eu unu pot zice ca personaje ca Reuental, Mittermeyer, Kesler, Müller, Julian, Schenkopp sau Poplan puteau avea propria lor serie de 26 de episoade si sigur era cel putin peste medie, in special Reuental ca este cu adevarat un erou tragic.
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post Feb 19 2008, 09:33 PM
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Reuental intradevar promite mult. Dar acum abia sunt mici teasere cu el, inca nu stiu cine stie ce despre trecutul lui sau ce-i trece prin cap.
Imi place si de Oberstein... este la fel de evident evil pe cat este de loial. Anyways, we'll see. And no spoilers please :)
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post Feb 20 2008, 12:53 AM
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okeee dupa dezamagirea primelor 2 ep .. pot spune si io acuma ca ma prins serialul si is abea la ep 6 :))

prima impresie asa generala e ca avem o confruntare intre germania din primul razboi mondial si cea din al doilea razboi mondial ... (ciudata asemanare stiu) dar nu ma pot opri sa nu vad asa lucrurile
so far serialul are exact ce vroiam .. politica si strategie .. sa vedem ce o sa aisa la final
si btw rougue io parca tin cu imperiul .. nush dece da alianta aia ma scarbeste profund .. iar so far din experienta mea de 6 ep Rheinhardt pare mai uman decat Yang Wen-li

PS dap rougue si mie mi sa parut ca seamana cumva cu un joc de go.. prin simplu fapt ca are o incarcatura strategica si nu e genul de heirup-ism care il vezi in alte SF-uri spatiale
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post Aug 9 2010, 06:48 PM
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Dezgrop si eu topicul, dupa mai bine de 2 ani de zile..
M-am apucat si eu de serie recent, in urma unei recomandari primite de la Dmf si e exact genul meu de anime: vechi, cu grafica tip old-school si personaje interesante, cu un puternic accent pus si pe partea psihologica.

Ce ma uimeste e ca am auzit in multe locuri afirmatia ca LOGT e un anime care te prinde mai greu si ca trebuie sa treci de primele 20 de episoade, care sunt mai asa si asa, ca sa iti poti forma o parere. Mie mi-a placut din start, am stiut ca am descoperit o serie de aur dupa primul episod :D

Momentan sunt de-abia la episodul 41 dar nu ma grabesc prea tare sa il termin, la cat de mult m-a prins, o sa fiu destul de suparat cand voi termina seria :lol:

Also, stie cineva ordinea in care pot fi/trebuie urmarite OVA-urile? Cu ce e bine sa incepi.. cu ce e bine sa termini... pe care e bine sa le vezi dupa un anumit episod din anime, etc.
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post Aug 9 2010, 09:23 PM
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is la 54 si nu-s chiar atat de prins de LOGH. cine stie, oi fi mai special. :lol:

ce nasol e cand postezi asa mult (:lol:), da' ma bag si eu in seama sa stie lumea ca vizionez si eu acest anime.

mi se par mult prea lungite bataliile: prea putine lucruri expuse intr-un timp atat de lung. (prea multe episoade, prea multi copaci si asterozi pentru prea putine detalii legate de interactiunea personajelor. si nu, legatura aia gay dintre blond conducator, ros si muiere nu-i character development. (nici macar palarie cu blond mic -care-i mai mult alb-)

overall, weak!

PS: da, sunt unul din aia care pun foarte mult accent pe interactiunea personajelor si nu a asteroizilor cu navele spatiale sau a frunzelor cu copacii.
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post Aug 9 2010, 10:22 PM
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Ciudat, mie tocmai interactiunea personajelor imi place in mod special.
E drept, fiind foarte multe, nu sunt prezentate intr-un mod foarte detaliat, dar se gaseste mereu timp pentru a mai expune putin din povestea fiecaruia.

Plus ca foarte multe personaje secundare sunt indeajuns de interesante pentru a avea propria serie (lucru pe care parca l-am citit si mai sus).

Ma amuza ca am inceput sa trec de partea lui Yang Wenli, in defavoarea lui Reinhard. E drept, imi doresc ca Reinhard sa castige la final razboiul, dar parca imi e mai simpatic Yang :D Spre deosebire de "oponentul" sau, care si-a cam pierdut sentimentele odata cu Kircheis, Yang e mai uman, mai simpatic siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii... e lenes :lol: Being lazy myself, nu ma pot abtine sa nu il plac :>
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post Aug 10 2010, 06:22 PM
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Ahh, ce ma mananca sa spoileresc. Ar trebui undeva un thread cu discutii complete. Aici de exemplu e o discutie lunga despre cine dintre ei doi lasa o mostenire mai faina... cand te uiti inapoi peste 100 ani.

Anyways, lgh rocks.
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post Aug 10 2010, 09:10 PM
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Am vazut si eu acest serial acuma cativa ani, se pare ca n-am postat despre el insa ?

A fost unul dintre serialele care chiar m-au captivat. Povestea e foarte detaileata si creeaza profile psihologice complete ale personajelor. In plus gradul de realism e foarte mare, povestea e atat de pine vizualizata incat te face sa crezi ca ai assistat la derularea ei.

LOGH e un Roman SciFi care creeaza o lume intreaga in detaliu si o prezinta din toate aspectele, politice, culturale etc. In plus personajele si plotul sunt realiste. Nu exista bine si rau, cin e suntbaietii buni sau baietii rai depinde doar de perspective
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post Aug 11 2010, 12:30 PM
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Am ajuns la episodul 56.
Nu imi vine sa cred ca s-a terminat razboiul, parca nu ma asteptam la asta. Pe de alta parte, un razboi lungit pe 100 de episoade cam suna a lalaiala inutila.
Imi place insa faptul ca lucrul asta nu face decat sa confere si mai mult farmec seriei :D

Daca pana acum eram destul de convins ca LOGH trebuie sa se termine clar cu victoria lui Reinhard, dar sa nu fie infrangere totala nici pentru Wenli, mi-au mai ramas mai bine de 50 de episoade de vazut pentru care nu am inca nici o predictie.

Damn, de-abia astept sa vad ce se va intampla mai departe. Sunt curios cum se vor finaliza povestile lui Reinhard si Yang. Oh, si inca ceva: mi se pare genial faptul ca accentul incepe sa cada incet, incet pe Julian Minci si pe Reuental. :-? Nu cred ca LOGH ar mai fi fost atat de bun daca nu ar fi avut atat de multe personaje pe care sa le urmaresti
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