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elpreda |
Mar 20 2013, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE Of course Kotarou is not going to bring a version of Akane that is insane and that would help Kashima instead.
Actually they all seemed to have memories from all routes, they were the "summed up" versions, he didn't selectively pick memories and personality traits to bring there. He just tweaked Lucia a bit and only her body. QUOTE all Holy Women are supposed to be almost identical because of the whole transcription process that basically takes a girl that is more or less a clean slate and imprints the Holy Woman's personality, intelligence and memories into her.
Nope, the Holy Woman is just a template, not an entire person. It's like a child resembling their parent, it can influence them, but it can't completely overwrite their own will and personality. The transcription only affected damaged brain cells, it didn't change everything. So while they were driven to the edge by an old insane parent whether they actually fell was up to them. Kashima a ajuns in the end literally cu mintea pe luna. Akane, who had an even newer version of the Holy Woman, managed in the end to recover from insanity.(that is when she managed to live 'till the end) QUOTE not even the VN ever tries to show what the Holy Woman does in a positive light? It does at the end of Akane's route. QUOTE Pai, toate creaturile pe care Kashima le trimitea pe luna trebuiau create din ceva, adica din colectia imensa de fosile pe care o avea. Nu avea insa nimic din ce sa creeze un Earth Dragon. We do know that she had and could control one Earth Dragon at least.
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Mar 20 2013, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE The transcription only affected damaged brain cells, it didn't change everything Yes, but that's why holy women candidates were chosen from girls with severe brain damage, so that they could obtain as much similarity as they could to the previous Holy Woman. The more brain damaged the girl originally was and the less personality she had, the more she would turn out similar to the previus Holy Woman. QUOTE We do know that she had and could control one Earth Dragon at least.
That was the only one in existence. The Earth Dragon is supposed to be an ancient Gaia familiar and no one knows anymore how to build another one. Also it takes a huge number of summoners to control even one Earth Dragon. QUOTE Akane, who had an even newer version of the Holy Woman, managed in the end to recover from insanity.
Yeah, but that only happened because Kotarou used an extreme form of shock therapy by forcing her to live with the guilt of the horrible things she had done which apparently managed to bring her back to her senses.
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Mar 20 2013, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(cg1700 @ Mar 20 2013, 04:50 PM) Also it takes a huge number of summoners to control even one Earth Dragon The VN does say that Kashima was capable of controlling the Earth Dragon herself, the multiple summoner method was used by Akane. QUOTE Yeah, but that only happened because Kotarou used an extreme form of shock therapy by forcing her to live with the guilt of the horrible things she had done which apparently managed to bring her back to her senses. Of course she needed outside help to recover, having only the Holy Woman as her buddy wouldn't have helped her so much. You can't ask a cancer patient to get better without treatment. Also, Shizuru managed to get her to her senses as well in Chihaya's route. QUOTE The more brain damaged the girl originally was and the less personality she had, the more she would turn out similar to the previus Holy Woman. Still, not a copy.
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elpreda |
Mar 21 2013, 06:42 AM
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QUOTE(DmonHiro @ Mar 20 2013, 11:56 PM) In aceasi ruta, Shizuru i-a sters memoriile lui Akane, deaia si-a revenit. Probabil a sters tot ce avea legatura cu Gaia, inclusiv Holy Woman. No that definitely did not happen. Shizuru could only affect either living things or familiars, nu corcituri. Nu avea cum sa umble prin creierul lui Akane si chiar daca ar fi putut ar fi lasat-o practic braindead. And no she couldn't eventually learn do it since their powers were based on previous experiences, no one had ever changed a partly familiarized brain before. Well I finished it at last. I really don't understand the need to change the HUD and voice act Koutarou in the last route. It was also a bit strange to find out he's a raging pedophile, he married 5 children in the other routes. The ending was weird at best, you sacrifice the lives of those 5 in order to go to the Moon and see your old girlfriend on whom you cheated with her twin sister which you eventually killed.....aaaaand you're name is Pochi..... So the answer was a combination of the 3 ideas: Cause salvation (Kashima) + use of familiar technology (Suzaki) (at this point you have the artificial future from Akane's route) + kill the Key for an incomplete salvation (Guardian). Fin Waaaa I hate this word! I think I may hate it more than my alarm tone!
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Mar 21 2013, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(elpreda @ Mar 21 2013, 06:42 AM) No that definitely did not happen. Shizuru could only affect either living things or familiars, nu corcituri. Nu avea cum sa umble prin creierul lui Akane si chiar daca ar fi putut ar fi lasat-o practic braindead. And no she couldn't eventually learn do it since their powers were based on previous experiences, no one had ever changed a partly familiarized brain before.
Cred ca nu ai inteles cum fucntioneaza nici puterea lui Shizuru, nici copierea pentru Holy Woman. In primul rand, Shizuru nu ar avea nevoie sa umble la partea modificata a creierului lui Akane, pentru ca nu asta era problema in ruta lui Chihaya. Akane inebunise nu din cauza amintirilor lui Kashima, ci din cauza ca Kagari i-a indesat toate imaginile negative ale umanitatii in creier. Shizuru nu a facut altceva decat sa le stearga. Si cum naiba poti sa spui ca "Shizuru could only affect either living things or familiars, nu corcituri", cand jumatate din ruta lui Shizuru o petreci fara memorie, pentru ca ea ti-a sters-o. In caz ca nu ai tinut minte, Koutarou e jumatate familiar si el. In al doilea rand, de ce ar fi last-o "braindead" pe Akane daca doar i-a sters memoriile.
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elpreda |
Mar 21 2013, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE Tu doar presupui ca Shizuru nu poate sa o afecteze pe Akane. Nu e o presupunere, asa este si am explicat de ce. QUOTE Dar a fost destul de clar ca Shizuru i-a sters memoriile. Shizuru's power is not the only thing that can meddle with someone mind. Maybe she was put in a counseling program. Trying to destroy humanity is bad mkay... QUOTE In plus, Shizuru are DOUA puteri, la fel ca Lucia si Koutaro. Puterea de a sterge memoriile nu are absolut nici o legatura cu abilitatea de a creea substante in corpul ei. So you're saying she had a power that could create all sorts mind altering drugs, but she also had another power that did the exact same thing in a different manner. I don't know how you came to this conclusion, nu spune niciodata in VN ca Shizuru ar avea 2 puteri. She had an ability with many uses, including severing synapses.
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