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axi
post Nov 4 2006, 07:04 PM
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"Light - Every day, the same thing repeats over and over
Ryuku - Man, how pointless.
Light - This world is ...
Ryuku - rotten."


"the human whose name is written in this note shall die.
this note will not take effect unless the writer has the person's face in their mind when writting his/her name. therefore, people sharing the same name will not be affected. if the cause of death is written within 40 seconds of writing the person's name it will happen. if the cause of the death is not specified, the person will simply die of a heart attack ..."


did u ever wanted to be good? to make the world a better place? what if u have one chance to do that? and don't give anything in return? ... would u kill all the bad guys in the world? an eye for an eye? ...

what if u have as a guide a death god, bored as hell, anctious to see anything ur human mind can come up with just for his entertaiment? ... and he only eats apples? :P

what if the world's most famous detective comes hunting u?

and being one of the brightest students of Japan and son of the Tokyo police chief, would help u to get on with ur plan?

Death Note ... don't talk ... just watch it :)
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hmmmmmm.... ok, chiar am stat sa citesc tot threadul asta si chiar am o groaza de spus :P o sa fie un post lung, ati fost avertizati :P

1) The death note anime

- e superb, incredibil, genial, omg omg omg, e asha de mishto, sunt ultra obsedata, abia astept sa vad urmatorul episod. *phew* glad I got that out of my system :P

- imi place super mult grafica si vocile alese pentru personaje. Muzica e excelenta, diversele efecte folosite functioneaza f mishto. imi plac mai ales contrastele alea albastru/rosu pentru kira/L si muzica aia tip cor de biserica cand mai omoara raito uneori :) E un simbolism misto si bine gandit.

2) The death note manga - m-am apucat recent de ea ca mi-e frica de spoilere :huh: am primit unul MASIV doar citind o chestie F F F minora pe wikipedia si m-am ofticat rau *sigh*

2) The death note film

- NU se ia dupa manga. Adica, daca vrea cineva sa-l considere canon, be my guest, dar eu personal tind sa ma oftic cand se schimba substantzial subiectul si detalii despre personaje, si urmaresc filmul ca o alta alternativa, dar nu "aia care s-a intamplat de fapt". Deci in general nu accept concluzii trase din film, aplicate in anime, mi se par cam aiurea

- In general mi s-a parut mishto, watchable, dar inferior mult animeului. Parca s-au grabit, parca au schimbat prea mult, si parca chestiile cu care le-au inlocuit sunt cu mult mai putin profunde si inteligente.

- Mie de L mi-a placut enorm de mult in film, de fapt a fost my favorite thing... nush de ce pare prea mult ca vorbeste la telefon ca in anime, e un gest dubios si in anime si in manga, si in general povestea se vrea cat mai veridica, in afara fazelor supranaturale. L e pur si simplu un tip f ciudat si incredibil de inteligent, cu ticuri si gesturi si obiceiuri anormale. Mi se pare ca daca-i lau gesturile isi pierdea tot farmecul. :(

Din punctul de vedere al dezbaterii care s-a iscat pe aici...

Sincer, nu cred ca trebuie pus atat de mult accent pe "oare ce face Light e moral sau nu?"... constat ca fiecare il intelege pe light altfel, si poate ar fi interesant sa ne lamurim cu cum ar trebui el perceput...

Una la mana, vreau sa fac o distinctie care pentru mine e importanta... Light e personaj. Ca personaj, il iubesc, si mi se pare genial. E o experienta incredibila pentru mine sa-l vad cum rationeza, si chiar in admir din unele puncte de vedere... Plus ca eu sunt obsedata rau de L, si L e caracterizat macar in proportie de 60% in raport cu kira/Light. Daca personajul lui Light ar fi fost mai slab, mai bland, mai putin infricosator, cu atat mai putin mi-ar fi placut si L, si animeul death note.
Bineinteles, daca Light ar fi o persoana reala, l-as dispretui, abia as astepta sa fie prins, pentru ca e infricosator.
In mod similar, mi se pare interesant sa citesc despre psihologia criminalilor, dar mi se pare oribil ca cineva din lumea asta chiar gandeste asa...

Eu cred ca in momentul in care Light a gasit death noteul (uhm, mai bine zis din momentul imediat dupa acea panica initiala, din momentul in care a conceput nebunia ca va fi zeu al justitiei) s-a simtit „ales”. Chiar daca Ryuk ii spune ca nu l-a ales in mod direct, ci a fost doar o intamplare, sunt convinsa ca Light simte ca providenta i-a oferit aceasta sansa. Se simte norocos ca are caietul, si mai mult decat atat, simte ca il merita pentru ca il are. (noi om considera ca el are puterea asta in mod gresit, pentru ca nu a facut nimic sa gaseasca caietul, dar EL nu gandeste asa. Cred ferm ca pentru al condamna, trebuie inteles pe deplin) Asta nu e deloc ciudat avand in vedere ca in general Light are o gandire foarte machiavellica. Luat din subsectiunea „the prince” de pe wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli ... sper sa va pot demonstra ce misto se potriveste cu actiunile si gandirea lui Light.

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a new prince [..] must stabilize his newfound power and build a structure that will endure. This task requires the Prince to be publicly above reproach but privately may require him to do things of an evil nature in order to achieve the greater good.


Is that Light-ish or what? :P

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A careless reading of The Prince could easily lead one to believe that its central argument is "the ends justify the means" - which is a teleological philosophical view ("telos" is greek for ends) - that any evil action can be justified if it is done for a good purpose. This is a limited interpretation, however, because Machiavelli placed a number of restrictions on evil actions.

sunt de acord cu partea asta... motiv pentru care am si dat linkul la machiavelli.. chiar NU te poti restrange la acel citat ultra faimos.

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First, he specified that the only acceptable end was the stabilization and health of the state; individual power for its own sake is not an acceptable end and does not justify evil actions. Second, Machiavelli does not dispense entirely with morality nor advocate wholesale selfishness or degeneracy.


Cred ca si asta se aplica lu Light, faza la care ma aflu in dezacord cu Moonsparkle si cu Shinju si cu Trickster, si cred ca cu multi altii. Eu SINCER cred ca avand in vedere gandirea si psihologia lu light, nici nu se minte, nici nu e ipocrit. El efectiv crede cu atata tarie incat _shtie_ ca prin actiunile sale, va crea o lume mai buna. Bineinteles, AICI intervine ce zicea L, ca e „copilaros si nu suporta sa piarda”. Cred ca adjectivul copilaros se leaga direct ce cum el nu suporta sa piarda. Light nu e pregatit pentru ideea ca va pierde. De aia si pune ATAT de multa pasiune in meciul ala de tenis, si el si L. E imposibil sa pui impreuna doi oameni care NU suporta sa piarda si sa nu ai un „duel” la un nivel foarte foarte ridicat. Dar atunci cand nici nu concepi ca exista posibilitatea ca vei pierde e totusi o chestie, IMO, f copilaroasa.

Mai era ceva.. Trikster ai zis „Deci admiti ca Light e zero fara carnet?” – nu se pune deloc asa problema. Pentru ca Light fara carnet NU e Light din anime. E un elev japonez eminent, foarte inteligent si plictisit. In momentul in care se decide sa schimbe ordinea lumi, are loc o schimbare in el, si devine un organ al justitiei SUPREME, DIVINE, un print machiavellic. Evident ca fara caiet nu e asa ceva

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The primary contribution of "The Prince" to the history of political thought is its fundamental break between realism and idealism. While Machiavelli emphasized the need for morality, the sole motivation of the prince ought to be the use of good and evil solely as instrumental means rather than ends in themselves. A wise prince is one who properly exercises this proper balance.


Asta mi se pare ca se potriveste la scena aia cand afirma ryuk ca Light e idealist :) E de fapt si idealist si realist, in modul asta f machiavellic. El vrea sa aiba o „domnie” asupra lumii inteleapta, nu un pumn de fier. Sunt convinsa ca nu ar ajunge sa omoare pe toata lumea, sau daca o va face, va veni dupa o alta schimbare interioara. La momentul lui de acum, nu ar omori decat pentru as servi scopul, si pe cei care ii stau in fatza scopului sau. Observati ca nu se complica stupid si inutil omorand pe toti membrii investigatiei din politie, sau obtinand repede ochii de shinigami ca sa stea linistit. Gandeste foarte rational, dar pur si simplu foloseste TOATE resursele pe care le are la dispozitie permanent pentru a-si atinge scopul in mod optim, indiferent de valoarea de moralitate a actiunilor sale.

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Machiavelli's assumptions about human nature as being fundamentally flawed are also reflected in the need for brute force to attain practical ends. Complete trust and faith in one's subjects is not sustainable.


asha, si asta i se potriveste, nu mai shtiu exact citatul, dar ii priveste pe oamenii „de rand” ca inferiori lui, si zice ca cei inocenti in sustin, cei vinovati sunt speriati de el. La un moment dat parca in film, Light citeste nietzche. :P ideea e dezvoltata si la el, intamplator :P

*phew* ok :P Ar mai fi de zis, da mai bine sa astept niste idei in dezacord, sa vad pe ce sa ma mai dezvolt, ca as putea sa o tin asha toata noaptea ^^

ps – frate, de ce nu sunt pusa niciodata sa scriu esee despre anime pentru facultate? :P ar fi ultra bestial :P
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