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Audron
daca puteti careva sa dati date istorice reale si verificate sau maca semi-legende despre personaje, dar care as fie totusi verificabile , va rog sa le spuneti aici.

daca se poate, doar cele caer s-au intamplat, nu inflorituri.
Urfe
Eu unul stiu doar ca a existat un Rurouni. Nu stiu daca acelasi nume... nu prea ajuta, eh?



Oricum, ia sa caut cate ceva date istorice. smile.gif
ptz
nu a existat un rurouni a existat un hitokiri...am uitat cum il cheama dar poti sa gasesti cu un google search.A fost executat la 4 ani dupa revolutie pt ca stia prea multe secrete(un fel de combinatie intre kenshin si shishio).

Saito a fost capitan in shinsengumi si dupa revolutie chiar a intrat in politie sub numele Fujita Goro.

Dak mai gasesc ceva real va anunt.
Audron
daca afli cum il chema sa imi zici. a fost executat cu judecata, adica a facut ceva, sau l-au omorat doar ca sa ii inchida gura. din cate stiu eu , adica din ce am fazut, rememberance pare istoric. evenimentele alea mai importante au avut loc(ex ikedaya). dar clanul choshu chiar era despartit/ katsura chiar nu era de acord cu arderea orasului? avea un asasin atat d ebun pe numele himura kenshin? sau astea sunt inventii? cei care stiti, va rog sa raspundeti.

orice informatie despre orice personaj important din rk e binevenita.informatie istorica, seria am vazut-o si eu.sau macar legende locale din orasul ala, nu neaparat doar din documente.
ptz
Pai am aflat cum il cheama dar am uitat si mi-e lene sa mai caut odata.E simplu de aflat.A fost omorat cu un fel de judecata ... acuzatii false si impuscat pe urma.

Clanul choshu...nu exista un clan choshu...astfel erau numiti samuraii sau locuitorii dak vrei din zona Nagato.Dak erau despartiti sau nu asta nu mai stiu...dar dak vrei sa afli mai multe despre Ikeda Ya si Shinsengumi iti recomand animeul Peace Maker Kurogane.Oricum dupa momentul Ikeda Ya,Choshu s-au aliat cu ceilalti opozanti ai shogunatului si anume Satsuma si Tosa (desi avea vederi diferite despre ce politica ar fi trebuit sa urmeze Japonia dupa revolutie-Choshu erau adepti ai izolationismului Satsuma erau pentru modernizare si deschiderea granitelor).

Inca o data Himura Kenshin nu a existat ... personajul este inspirat dupa un hitokiri real.





Later edit.

Hai ca de paste asa am zis sa-mi inving lenea.Enjoy :



Hitokiri is any one of numerous samurai in Japanese history who were amazingly strong and considered undefeatable by normal people. Hitokiri literally means "Person Slayer", but is better translated as assassin

One of the most famous Hitokiri was Kawakami Gensai, said to be totally undefeatable. Kawakami Gensai was the character model for Himura Kenshin in the anime Rurouni Kenshin.



Kawakami Gensai, one of the four great Hitokiri of the Bakumatsu, could be mistaken for a girl at first glance, but his nature was the complete opposite of his appearance; he was a cold, calculating man said to be the most terrible of the four

He was famous for cutting down Kuma Shouzan in broad daylight with his unique, lightning-fast Furanui style of Kenjutsu. Whether he was responsible for other assassinations is still a mystery. After the new era was brought in, his ideas about isolationism conflicted with that of the government?s, and he was tried on false charges and executed in the fourth year of the Meiji era (1871).





Furanui Kenjutsu was the style witch Hitokiri Gensai created. He learned some of the sword from Todoroki Muhe and learned bushido from Miyabe Teizo. Furanui Kenjutsu is not to confused with Kenshin Himura's Hiten Mitsurugi technique. There is no information that Hitokiri Gensai favored a fast draw technique but it is said that assasins favored this method of swordsmanship









Kawakami Gensai was one of the most famous Hitokiri (assassins or hit man) in Japanese history. He developed a very aggressive style of sword fighting where in he would basically run over his opponent and cut him down.



His appearance was meek and mild and it is said that many people thought he was a woman at first glance. This undoubtedly aided him in profession because if opponents were expecting a weakling they were certainly caught off guard. He was in truth a hard and ruthless killer with a cunning mind and a lightning fast sword.



The biggest part of his reputation came when he killed Kuma Shouzan in the middle of the day.



He was born Komori Genjiro, but changed his name after he was adopted by the Kawakami family to be raised as a priest. He was known to always remain calm in a difficult situation. There is one story about him remaining behind in a burning building as other fled. He managed to put the fire out and became a local hero to the town?s people.



Thinking that his nature was more suited to a warrior than a priest he began to study the sword and strategy, and even requested permission to travel abroad. He was a key figure in the overthrow of the Shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu and the reinstatement of the Emperor. However he was an avid supporter of isolation and ran counter to what the Emperor wanted for the future of the country. He was brought up on false charges and executed in the fourth year of the Meiji era.



There is a popular anamited series, Rurouni Kenshin, who is based on his persona.



Am luat d p mai multe pagini si am dat copi/peist.Mai multe despre cei 4 hitokiri si alti spadasini celebri aici : http://www.sword.ne.jp/swordsmen.htm dar va avertizez ca traducerea in engleza lasa mult de dorit.
Audron
how about the style himura used? or hiko seijuro? i know that is a title.
Bawmwolle
Hiten Mitsurugi Style.Ce-i cu el?Eu unuyl nu cred ca este real.Poate, cel mult, se bazeaza pe ceva real, loviturile si tehnicile fiind cu siguranta dincolo de limitele realului.CEl mai elocvent exemplu:DoRyuSen.
Audron
ala e cam dur atacul. prea supranatural. dar am vazut eu ce pot shaolinii pe discovery,daca e real si mrege, merge dupoa o groaza de antrenament.
ptz
Acum tre sa stim sa facem si diferenta intre anime si realitate...bineinteles ca nu exista un om care sa se miste fara sal vezi sau alte miscari fantasmagorice care sunt in animeuri...una este universul anime si alta este lumea reala...poate primu se inspira din cel de-al doilea dar atat.
Audron
poti afla cumva daca a existat, nu chiar ca in serial, dar totusi, hiko, aoshi,oniwabanshu(gruparea aia),anji(stiu ca e cam supranatural, adr macar asa), seta sojiro, shishio.poti?
ptz
Pai multe din personajele din RK sunt inspirate din Shinsengumi...aoshi hiko etc nu au existat.

Aoshi este inspirat de Hijikata Toshi vice-chief Shinsengumi.

Seta Sojiro e inspirat de Souji Okita , Sanosuke e inspirat de Harada Sanosuke etc etc. se vede si din asemanarea de nume si din asemanarea ca si caracter.Iti sugerez din nou sa te uiti la Peace Maker Kurogane daca esti interesat.
Audron
cat speram eu sa fi existat un hiko ... dar de unde stii tu cine de unde sste inspirat? la aoshi chiar nu stiu cum ti-ai dat seama

. odata si odata tot ma uit la peace maker .
trust_no_more
The Oniwabanshū (お庭番衆) was a group of ninja and onmitsu established by the 8th Tokugawa shogun, Tokugawa Yoshimune, who was considered one of Japan's greatest shoguns (1684-1751).

sursa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oniwabansh%C5%AB
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