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post Jun 5 2011, 12:09 AM
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Ok... I understand your decision Soul. I will discuss this further, actually. M-ar interesa parerea lui Notorious despre de plagiat, si inspiratie vis-a-vis de AMV-ul cu animatrix (when he gets his rest ofc).
Also daca poti sa dai cateva exemple la obiect, ar fi binevenite, and here i'm not challanging or smthng, vreau totusi sa aud explicari mai directe.

Inca ceva pls explain cui te exprimai cu 1.2.3.4 ca eu nu am putut identifica.
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post Jun 5 2011, 07:01 AM
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Nu pot spune ca inteleg ce vrei sa explic mai mult de atat. Aia e opinia mea.. acum nu imi vine nimic in cap ce as putea adauga. Pagiatura is a bad, bad thing. Plagiatura = minciuna + furt orice altceva nu cred ca intra la categoria asta. So be honest about your work, be it copy or original.
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post Jun 5 2011, 04:13 PM
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War Revolution & Kokia
Release: Oct 24, 2005
A Generation of War locul 1 AMV Notorious
Release: Oct 28, 2009



Dunjack - Horror AMV
Release: Jun 20, 2008
KaeL- Face of Horror (AMV)
Release: May 17, 2010



E clar... Asa e, nici nu stiu ce mai dezbatem aici, nu se poate vorbi de originalitate aici!


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Ti s-a urcat smecheria la cap? Sau esti frustrat? Mai bine editezi post-ul ... si asa s-au luat astia pe net de mine acum le dai si tu apa la moara. Este o coincidenta.. sper ca iti dai si tu seama. Ce naiba ma!


Mailul continua dupa cu o gargara lexicala de injuraturi si injurii la adresa mea... Asta este amice, trebuia sa recunosti nu sa te ascunzi ca lupul intre oi!

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post Jun 5 2011, 04:40 PM
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Eu credeam ca putem discuta chestia asta in privat.. dar e clar ca esti pornit sa ne tragi pe toti in jos doar ca sa iesi tu la suprafata. Puteti sa va scaldati in musuroiul pornit in thread-ul asta... have fun!
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post Jun 5 2011, 06:51 PM
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Sunt dezamagit Notorious. Si mie care imi placuse Generation of War. Sa fie plagiat dupa asa ceva. Nu am mai vazut asa ceva. War Revolution & Kokia e genial!!!!!!! Shame on you! Chiar si cu ala ca model, you couldn't match its awesomeness. Shame.

Si Alexander, ce sa zic, you are destined to recieve the hate of all romanian amv makers. FLAME ON!!! :twisted:

Despre celelalte doua..... nu mai zic nimic. No comment.
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post Jun 5 2011, 09:37 PM
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Daaamn... lost all my respect !

later edit: Considerati ce am scris mai sus trolling, ca raspuns la linku spre (Rick Ashley)War Revolution & Kokia si la Dunjack - Horror AMV(Rebeca. Nu stiu daca s-au postat alte linkuri si daca au fost editate mai tarziu de Alexander. :D

Sooo... still respect there :P
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post Jun 5 2011, 10:51 PM
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post Jun 5 2011, 11:28 PM
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The previous comment speaks truth. You're rite.
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post Jun 6 2011, 11:39 PM
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Hei, eu sunt fana "A generation of War" si "Face of Horror", iar daca sunt plagiate chiar as vrea sa vad originalele [not Rick Astley and Friday XD]. De ce le-ai sters, Alexander? :(

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Daaamn... lost all my respect !

Same here si mai mult pentru ca laudam acele AMV-uri de cate ori aveam ocazia and I was pretty proud of our romanian editors :( .

Inca mai imi pastrez speranta pentru cel care a castigat anul acesta la Otaku. Chiar daca a folosit scene dintr-un anime arhifolosit melodia si sincronizarea au fost absolut superb realizate. Well, enlist from my point of view ^^.
And Kid's Story was pretty awesome :D .
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post Jun 7 2011, 06:51 AM
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Given the circumstances si ca sa clarific unele lucruri: Commentul de mai sus "Daaamn... lost all my respect !" este a joke. Nu am vazut decat linkul catre Rick Ashley si Rebecca so losing my respect in comparation to those is an invalid statement so it shall be considered as such.

Acum: Alexander a pus niste linkuri intr-o anumita ordine si la intervale diferite. De ce ? Can i has an answer? Au fost alte linkuri ?

Later edit: I has been trolled and made a mistake. Nu imi schimb opinia despre ce am scris in previous posts despre animatrix. Tinand cont ca nu stiu daca s-au postat sau nu alte linkuri (fiind posibil modificate ulterior) pentru Kael si Notorious consider ultimele ca fiind unicele postate sooo toata discutia se transforam intr-o mare farsa (troll, joke or whatever it's called).
Astfel, o sa am de azi innainte mari rezerve fata de opiniile si postarile tale Alexander.
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post Jun 7 2011, 08:27 PM
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Darn it! I always get trolled so easy *hides in a corner*.

Well anyway, nu cred ca e ceva gresit sa te inspiri dintr-un amv, dar sa-l copiezi secventa cu secventa sau idee cu idee e cu totul alta poveste.

I'm out of here. This story has gotten to complicated for me. :(
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post Jun 7 2011, 09:32 PM
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Like I said before and Tessa as well. It's not a crime to inspire yourself, but copying sequence after sequence is a different story. Cu cel din urma caz ne putem pune de acord in mare parte, restul difera in functie de persoana.

Daca te uiti la editorii de pe youtube, singurul caz in care considera ei ca au dreptul sa te acuze, e cand chiar le furi amvul cu totul. Other than that, they all learn from eachother.
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post Jun 7 2011, 10:20 PM
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Sincer, dk ar fi sa faca asa ceva, mai bine ar lasa-o balta si ar fi bn sa isi caute altceva cu care sa isi ocupe timpul, 'cause no one seems to like 'em O.o, oricum ar fi nu ai cum sa ii opresti, orice le-ai face, anyway.....nu le pot zice decat sa isi gaseasca ceva la care sa fie originali XD, adik e aiurea sa plagiezi opera altei persoane O.o
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post Jun 8 2011, 04:40 PM
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Yes, yes, I trolled my own topic. Oricum nu era de importanta majora. Era pe moarte and nobody seems to really give a damn la noi in tara despre cine a plagiat, cine nu si care au fost de fapt circumstantele.

Daca postam asa ceva pe amv.org iesea un taraboi imens. Aici insa no, not really, nu se chinuie nimeni sa investigheze sau sa dezcalifice, astfel suntem victimile proprii atitudini asa ca pe viitor ma astept la amv-uri cat mai 'originale'.

Tot ce ne ramane de facut e sa continuam sa stam pe margine cu mainile in buzunar fluerand la cer. Ar fi prea mult sa incercam sa impunem o anumita etica, un anumit standard, in fine...
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post Jun 8 2011, 05:03 PM
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U're right I dun care ^^, sincer de ce sa imi pese, adik degeaba discreditezi un plagiator, cand stii ca apare altul in locul lui O.o, nu ii poti opri, incetini putin poate, dar revin imd in forta XD.....soooo......dun waste ur time buddy :P
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post Jun 8 2011, 05:55 PM
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Suna bine chestia asta cu etica dar momentan sunt fericit ca apar editori noi aproape la fiecare fest si calitativ a evoluat. Ma mira interesul in crestere pentru amv-uri avand in vedere ca nu este tocmai varful de lance in festuri sau in comunitatea noastra. Nu pot decat sa cred ca majoritatea o fac din placere. Pe scurt simt ca nu sunt singurul care prefera coltul obscur al editorului fata de reflectorul care sta tintit pe cosplay.

P.S.: bai... trebuie sa recunosc ca nu ma asteptam sa fie cantina pentru trolii A-Cul (eu sunt cireasa, recunosc... am fost prima victima cred :lol:). Naivii lu' tata, ati ajuns sa alimentati singuri trollul.. nu Kraotzz :P
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post Jun 8 2011, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(NOTORIOUS @ Jun 8 2011, 05:55 PM)
P.S.: bai... trebuie sa recunosc ca nu ma asteptam sa fie cantina pentru trolii A-Cul (eu sunt cireasa, recunosc... am fost prima victima cred :lol:). Naivii lu' tata, ati ajuns sa alimentati singuri trollul.. nu Kraotzz :P
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Yeah, maybe...maybe <_<, but I just ignore the troll or join him, asa ca nu ma deranjeaza cu nimic :P
Woulps, off topic XD, presupun ca asa e cum zici tu ^^, interesul pt amv-uri chiar pare a incepe sa capete viteza O.o, si subliniez "pare"......, dar pe mn ma intereseaza mai mult sa invat sa fac editare video, sooo...nu e vorba tot timpul de interesul pt amv-uri :P
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QUOTE(NOTORIOUS @ Jun 8 2011, 05:55 PM)
P.S.: bai... trebuie sa recunosc ca nu ma asteptam sa fie cantina pentru trolii A-Cul (eu sunt cireasa, recunosc... am fost prima victima cred :lol:). Naivii lu' tata, ati ajuns sa alimentati singuri trollul.. nu Kraotzz :P
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Oh come on, it was obviously a troll!!
Cel putin pt cei carora le place foarte mult melodia "Chowa Oto-with reflection" de Kokia.
Melodia a aparut in 2006 si amv-ul dupa care ar fi trebuit sa fie plagiat scrie ca e din 2005.
(ar fi putut fi alta melodie dar deja nu mai era acelasi lucru).

Guess it's no use to continue supporting the troll. The cat is out of the bag already. Anyway, 2 forum goers fell for it so: successful troll Alexander is successful. :D
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I'd like to think the Academy for this honor! Mom, I hope you're watching! I finally won! *falls of the stage*

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U're right I dun care ^^, sincer de ce sa imi pese, adik degeaba discreditezi un plagiator, cand stii ca apare altul in locul lui O.o, nu ii poti opri, incetini putin poate, dar revin imd in forta XD.....soooo......dun waste ur time buddy tongue.gif


Ce mult sens a avut chestia asta. Discreditezi un plagiator, apare altul? Pe asta de unde ai scos-o? Sau tie ti se pare ca disputa asta e comparabila cu ce se intampla cu pirateria?

Cu o noua posibilitate de warning: La ce naiba mai postati aici daca n-aveti nici cea mai vaga idee despre ce se vorbeste si vorbiti ca sa nu taceti? Cand va iese cultura pe nas ma simt de parca vorbesc la pereti.

Ramziel, nu mai intra aici, nu mai posta, esti prea limitat, imi pare rau. O viata placuta.

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Tu esti un mare perete de care se tot loveste lumea, asa ca si eu ma simt de parca vb cu peretii cand vb cu tn O.o
Well....presupun ca e ultima oara cand o sa mai intru pe topic, sooo...have fun with zhe troll O.o, app...toata lumea e limitata.....so I dun give a damn 'bout wut u're saying Alexander :P, si scze dk ti-am ranit cumva aparenta superioritate cu gandirea mea inferioara <_<

PS: eu doar imi dadeam parerea limitata de Dumnezeu <_<
Sooo...bye, bye, moving my opinion out of ur way Alexander....
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