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post Oct 23 2005, 04:43 PM
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Aceasta scrisoarea a aparut pe site-ul oficial Nightwish... De la Tuomas si ceilalti baieti pentru Tarja.

Dear Tarja,

It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go.

Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.
People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.

We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.
This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ?I don`t need Nightwish anymore.? and ?Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance?.
I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing.

You have said yourself that you are merely a ?guest musician? in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist.
We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.

You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It?s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.

In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.

We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.
We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.

Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore.

Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.

It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This ?compensation and more money from everything? ?attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!

We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.

This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.

All the best for your life and career,



Tuomas



Emppu Jukka Marco

Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.



So... My life is officially over. Nici nu am cuvinte... Ei sunt formatia mea de suflet. Cum o sa fie cu altcineva?... :( :( :(
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post Oct 24 2005, 06:56 AM
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Ei, un topic la care nu ma puteam abtzine sa nu postez... Caci tzine de o trupa rock cu vechi state de servicii si mai ales cu un imens numar de fani in toata lumea, nu doar la noi. Iar Lumiere se pare ca se numara printre cei mai fideli :)
Ceea ce vreau sa spun in continuare poate ca ii va face pe multzi sa ma critice. Dupa parerea mea (ma rog, poate ca nu sunt in masura sa spun asta) Nightwish ajunsese clar intr-un impas. Din momentul in care am ascultat "Nemo" de pe albumul "Once", mi-am dat seama ca Nightwish incearca o abordare ceva mai comerciala a genului muzical pe care il practica, astfel ajungand la un sound precum cel din "I Wish I Had An Angel", care mie mi se pare printre cele mai "comerciale" - in sensul de muzica facuta pentru bani - cantece ale lor din ultima vreme, comparativ cu albume precum "Oceanborn", de exemplu. De aceea, dupa ce am vazut prima lor cantare in Romania, la Sala Palatului, nu am fost asa de incantat ca am dat 700 de mii de lei pe bilet. A fost un turneu promotzional pentru "Once" si nu a reusit sa ma exalteze asa cum o faceau vechile lor piese, vazute in concert pe CD (asta drept comparatzie!!!)
Nu stiu ce sa zic, insa si stilul pe care au incercat sa-l etaleze pe "Once" mi se pare prea bombastic, prea "ear-candy" daca ma pot exprima asa. Si daca Tarja a ajuns asa cum spune aceasta scrisoare, atunci poate ca o despartzire este inevitabila. Si poate benefica trupei in sine... Nu stiu ce sa zic...
Oricum, Lumiere, nu cred ca este cazul sa fii trista, caci chiar daca trupa isi va schimba sound-ul (odata cu cooptarea unei noi vocaliste) si nu va mai fi ca inainte, intotdeauna vei avea albumele din urma, cu o muzica frumoasa, pentru inima ta :) Desi te intzeleg cum e cand trupa ta de suflet trece prin asemenea schimbari... Am patzit-o si eu (pentru prima data cu Theatre Of Tragedy :P ) dar oricum imi place si acum trupa la fel de mult. Motivele pentru o asemenea decizie sunt multe si pot fi dezbatute ore in sir - si fiecare are dreptate in felul sau. Important este ca imaginea trupei si muzica lor de pana atunci sa ramana la fel de frumoase in inima ta :)
Capul sus!
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post Oct 24 2005, 01:44 PM
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Eh, in vorbele nemuritoare ale nu-stiu-cui: "Asta e..."

Intr-adevar, Nightwish e si trupa mea de suflet iar daca se schimba vocalista sper si eu la ce-i mai bine. Pana atunci...raman albumele vechi.
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post Oct 24 2005, 02:34 PM
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Cine stie, poate noua vocalista va fi la fel de buna ca Tarja cel putin. Oricum...Nightwish fara ea nu mai e aceasi formatie. :(
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post Oct 25 2005, 02:40 PM
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Orice sfarsit e un nou inceput. Probabil o sa fie mult mai bine fara Tarja, Tuomas nu mai putea cu ea, nu mai scria versuri ca lumea si formatia o ducea prost. Cu noua vocalista, care se pare ca e deja aleasa, sper sa fie cat mai bine. Nu o sa mai fie Nightwish la fel, asta asa e, dar nu trebuie dramatizat atat...

Legat de scrisoare, a dat un raspuns... Stie cineva Suomi? :lol:
Si in engleza.
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post Oct 25 2005, 04:13 PM
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Astarteea site-ul ala are si o versiune in engleza....:P here it is
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Since last Sunday morning, I have been asked to express my position by magazines, newspapers, radio and TV stations, fan clubs and fans from Finland and from all over the world. So many in total that it is physically impossible for me to find the time to reply to them all individually. Hence I decided to put down a couple of words in this text to let my fans, family and friends and the public know how I feel after the recent events.

This is a moment of grief and pain and I find it very hard to speak.

At the moment I am in Argentina. I hope you can understand that after this shocking life change comparable to a divorce, I didn’t want to stay alone at home in Finland. My husband had booked his tickets to Argentina many months ago and I decided to travel with him at the last minute.

But the fact that I am in Argentina and the long distance should of course not be an excuse not to comment on the situation.

Last Friday 21st of October was a day the whole band had been waiting for a long time.

Practice started early in the morning. I was very sick and nervous because of the fact that I was not even able to sing during the rehearsals.

Also nervous because the concert programme was going to be longer than usual for a Nightwish concert. Furthermore we were going to have a special guest to perform with us, more wardrobe changes for myself than usual and for the first time big screens and bigger production on stage.

Not to forget that the concert was going to be recorded and filmed.

The five of us had finally made it to play Hartwall Arena.

Even though every one of us knew in advance that the concert was sold out, finally on stage, we saw that screaming, applauding and standing people took every seat. The feeling was unbelievable.

I will never forget how amazing it was to experience the Finnish audience’s gorgeous reception.

When the concert was over, I cried of happiness on stage. Happy tears because I was able to do my best as always even though I was sick. Happy tears because our long tour got the greatest possible ending and happy tears because of the best recognition an artist can get: applause and smiling faces.

At that moment I didn’t know that I was going to cry again soon.

After the concert, the guys of the band invited me backstage to join them and asked me to hug altogether. This felt strange as it was the same kind of hug we traditionally came together for before every concert. That tradition remained between us, even though the tension and increasing pressure already existed since a long period of time.

The immediate feeling in me was to thank them, which I did loudly but without any reply.

After this, they gave me a letter and asked me to read it the following day. The same letter that is now public.

I read it and was shocked.

I didn’t know what to say and still at the moment that I am writing these lines, I don’t.

I sense great anger in that letter and I continue to have very confused feelings about it, but I don’t want to reply to this anger with an even greater anger. Private matters should never be taken to the public.

I know this moment we are going through is very sad for everybody, including the guys.

While there would have been so many different possibilities and ways to express what they wanted to tell me with the letter, I remain unable to understand the way they chose to handle this. I am sorry that the guys got me so wrong. I don’t recognize myself at all from the way they described me.


They mentioned mean things about me, but the fact that they involved Marcelo, my husband, crossed the line. He is the man I love, my friend and has been my biggest support over the last years.

We have been band mates for 9 years, experienced good times and not so good ones. I thought I knew them, but I was wrong.

Still everything that has happened is not enough to make them evil in my eyes.

Now comes a time to calm down and reflect upon all of this.

I need to put my feelings together again and I promise to come back to public soon.
I will announce a press conference where I will be talking about my future plans. This doesn’t mean that you should expect this conference to be an instrument to attack anybody. It won’t.

The wonderful music we created together won’t be touched by recent events.

Thanks a lot to all the people who are supporting me during these sad times. My family, friends, colleagues, and the great number of fans. I love you and I really feel I have not failed you.

Tarja
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post Oct 25 2005, 04:39 PM
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Um... Da, dar cand intrasem eu nu era update...

Ha ha... Ce frumos face pe victima... Lasa, ca merita.

A, da si tu un edit la post si schimba marimea fontului, ca eu nu am reusit sa citesc scrisoarea aici, a trebuit sa merg pe site...
He, he... [ size=1 ] [ / size ] Dar fara pauze...
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post Oct 26 2005, 08:34 AM
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Pacat ca se despart de Tarja... dar daca a ajuns asa atunci cred ca merita. Si eu sunt fan Nightwish de cand au aparut (poate un pic mai tarziu :P ) si nu cred ca aceasta despartire ar trebui sa afecteze muzica Nightwish... si in fond trebuie sa mai fie pe undeva vocaliste cel putin la fel de bune ca Tarja.

Pacat... sa speram ca o sa faca in continuare muzica buna.
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post Oct 26 2005, 08:49 AM
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heh...ultimu album a fost mai mult decit slab...Nightwish a fost o trupa mare si nu cred ca mai rezistau mult in formatia respectiva...poate cu ocazia asta isi schimba stilu si incearca putina duritate in ritmuri...au potential daca ma gindesc la inceputuri...anyway...sayonara.
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post Oct 26 2005, 01:09 PM
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Luni am aflat si eu ca Tarja a fost data afara din formatia Nightwish... cand am citit scrisoarea pe site-ul ei oficial, mai ca mi-au dat lacrimile, si asta pentru ca Nightwish au fost multa vreme trupa mea de suflet, si chiar si acum, dupa ce le stiu pe de rost toate melodiile si le-am ascultat de sute de ori, inca imi mai provoaca aceeasi emotie... Dar ce a fost, a fost. Parerea mea e ca cel mai bine ar fi ca noua vocalista pe care o vor coopta in formatie sa fie radical diferita de Tarja in toate privintele, pornind de la aspect si terminand cu voce si stil; altfel fanii vor spune ca e doar o 'imitatie' si nu o vor accepta prea usor. Oricum, astept cu interes sa vad cum va continua saga Nightwish... daca va continua :(
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post Oct 26 2005, 02:19 PM
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aham...daca vocalista va fi un vocalist cred ca ar da lovitura...daca s-ar orienta spre duritati death sau black ar fi mai mult decit interesant...
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post Oct 26 2005, 04:35 PM
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Nu cred ca o sa se intample asa ceva. Ar fi prea mult. E destul o schimbare a unei cantarete, dar si a stilului ar fi prea mult. Adica oricum nu o sa fie acelasi lucru, dar nu cred ca vor sa nu-i mai recunoasca deloc lumea, poate ca isi pierd toti fanii asa... Interesant ar fi totusi ca macar Marco sa fie lead singer. Are omul asta o voce...
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post Nov 4 2005, 12:13 PM
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*smashes door on way in* *chants Dragon Slave on first thing he sees* *goes berserk and slaughters everybody* *bursts in energy destroying world*

Hai ca nu se poate...am trait sa o aud si pe asta...efectiv nu prea stiu ce sa zic...nu prea m-am interesat da acum vad prima data. It is like the end of ngthwsh for me. Intr-un eseu am scris odata ca Tarja este motivul ptr care ascult nghtwsh. Acum nu stiu ce sa mai fac...cred cas o sa raman doar cu albumele vechi...consolare in epic tales precum Beuaty of the Beast, Nightquest si Creek Mary's Blood si multi nervi in Kinslayer. NASHPA. Oricum le urez mult succes tuturor in continuare si sper ca se vor ridica la un nivel apropiat celui ce l-au avut. :( :(

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Se poate si fara Tarja.. Ea vroia sa puna capat formatiei.. Nu-i pasa de fani.. Daca se sfarsea Nightwish.. ce mai era atunci ? E mai bine asa..
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post Oct 28 2007, 11:30 AM
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Mda , am văzut că Nightwish şi-a luat o nouă solistă...se potriveşte cu formaţia ca nuca-n perete... I can't stand her..nu se compară cu Tarja .
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Intr-adevar, asta noua nu stie sa bea cu atata stil :D
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să "bea" ? :blink:

eu mă refeream că n-are talent nici pe sfert cāt Tarja.
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Pai nu stiu, dar si tarja suna cam ca o sticla sparta (de bautura :P) in ultima vreme...
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nu ştiu , n'am apucat să ascult din noile ei melodii :unsure:
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Interesant topic, in fine, sa incep si eu sa bat campii cu tevatura asta "Tarja, come back!".
Pe mine nici nu m-a interesat Nightwish pe vremea cand era cu frumusica lor Turunen, vocea ei ma facea sa vreau sa dau cu compul de pamant.

In schimb, Nightwish in noua formula , mi se par mult mai acceptabili, solista fiind mai versatila si mai placuta in ceea ce priveste vocea si aspectul fizic. La inceput, toti s-au hotarat sa se bata cu pumnii in piept ca "vai, proasta aia ce voce naspa are", insa era ca si cum ai fi comparat-o pe Anette in 2007 cu Tarja in 1997. Cu timpul Anette si-a imbunatatit vocea iar faptul acesta nu poate fi negat.

In fine, parerea mea ar fi ca Anette Olzon este cel mai bun lucru care s-ar intamplat trupei Nightwish, pare o persoana extrem de placuta ( sunt unul din acei fani maniaci care posteaza zilnic pe blogul ei), cat despre voce, sunt extrem de impresionat de capacitatile ei vocale.

Tarja sa ramana cu lalaiala ei ieftina, ca soprana doar atata poate face, sa vedem cat o mai duce.

See ya
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